Thread: Football Outsiders’ Aaron Schatz talks 2009 Broncos

Originally Posted by broncofaninfla

I thought the comparison to Tomlin was spot on. Despite coming from a different defensive phylisophy in Tampa (cover 2) Tomlin didn't change a thing with Labeau's defense. The same can't be said of McD and our offense.

Hell with Tomlin and the piss yellow steelturds.


We got our own ship to sail.


Pull the anchor, curse the bay and straight into the storm mates.



Screw em all...........shock the world.

What did Tomlin have to change? The pieces were all in place in Pittsburgh already. This comparison is not even in the same stratosphere. Pittsburgh cannot be compared to the Broncos in any facet in recent years.

This is an enlightened well written and researched article. Translation- It agrees with what I believe.

The comparison to Tomlin simply had to do that a defensive 'minded' coach went to a team and didn't simply "rebuild" everything. He kept what was working. Can't say the same thing in Denver when an offensive minded coach came to a team where the offense was looking DAMN good for being so young, inexperienced, and having very little time together. Thats where the Tomlin comparison comes in and makes sense.

But Jr is right. The mere fact that we are having all the coaching changes alone would cause concern for success this season. Throw in the change to a 3-4 defense without the proper talent, the number of new players, and the schedule that we have... and 6 wins (to me) is expecting a lot.

I think the guy in the interview was pretty much spot on. Great find!

Originally Posted by Shazam!

What did Tomlin have to change? The pieces were all in place in Pittsburgh already. This comparison is not even in the same stratosphere. Pittsburgh cannot be compared to the Broncos in any facet in recent years.

They had the 2nd best offense.

Originally Posted by broncofaninfla

I thought the comparison to Tomlin was spot on. Despite coming from a different defensive phylisophy in Tampa (cover 2) Tomlin didn't change a thing with Labeau's defense. The same can't be said of McD and our offense.

The difference between Tomlin and McDaniels is that Tomlin had the option of keeping Labeau to run the defense while McDaniels didn't have the option of keeping Shanahan to run the offense.

Regardless of what the naysayers say, the offense was not perfect and it needed improvement. Did that improvement have to include trading Jay Cutler?...probably not. That wasn't McDaniels' call though. It was Pat Bowlen that made that decision. That improvement does have to include better efficiency and I'm sure that's what McDaniels is aiming for.

Originally Posted by broncofanatic1987

The difference between Tomlin and McDaniels is that Tomlin had the option of keeping Labeau to run the defense while McDaniels didn't have the option of keeping Shanahan to run the offense.

Regardless of what the naysayers say, the offense was not perfect and it needed improvement. Did that improvement have to include trading Jay Cutler?...probably not. That wasn't McDaniels' call though. It was Pat Bowlen that made that decision. That improvement does have to include better efficiency and I'm sure that's what McDaniels is aiming for.

Awesome. So we can expect the offense to be perfect this year. Good to know.

Originally Posted by lex

Awesome. So we can expect the offense to be perfect this year. Good to know.

Come on Lex, you know what he was talking about. We were 16th in scoring despite the yardage gained. His point is we need to be better in the red zone.

Originally Posted by Northman

Come on Lex, you know what he was talking about. We were 16th in scoring despite the yardage gained. His point is we need to be better in the red zone.

What was our red zone scoring like when Pittman and Hillis were playing?

Its nice to know we can expect perfection now.

Originally Posted by lex

What was our red zone scoring like when Pittman and Hillis were playing?

Its nice to know we can expect perfection now.

I dont know if its about perfection as maybe more consistency. Time will tell i guess.

Originally Posted by Northman

I dont know if its about perfection as maybe more consistency. Time will tell i guess.

Well, McDaniels was brought in to deliver perfection. So thats what Im expecting.

Originally Posted by lex

Well, McDaniels was brought in to deliver perfection. So thats what Im expecting.

Who said he was going to deliver perfection?

Originally Posted by Northman

Who said he was going to deliver perfection?

The offense wasnt perfect and McDaniels was brought in to fix that.

Originally Posted by lex

The offense wasnt perfect and McDaniels was brought in to fix that.

Ok, i can see where your coming from. But i dont think its perfection i see it as more balance which is what they need. Especially in the running game.

Originally Posted by Northman

Ok, i can see where your coming from. But i dont think its perfection i see it as more balance which is what they need. Especially in the running game.

I agree that the offense needed more balance. But at the same time, Id rather have Shanahans version of the running game with the talent we currently have instead of watching half of our running plays come out of the SG because be throw the WR screen 30 times a game out of that formation.

But now I have learnedn that I have perfection to look forward to.